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DanRRight · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:49 am Post subject:

Well, a hack is just a hack. Pity, and i'd say shameful, that SP development was abandoned and it was left to die slowly for last 20 years. This specific property of margin change wasn't the part of design concept for %pl -- that is what you guys uncovered by hacking, and that is what i would like to see in the future Simpleplot. It must be the mighty, well adjusted publication quality package, still super-simple and super-convenient as it was imagined from the start and it actually is. It must be completely controllable in all its tiny properties from the full Simpleplot if needed.

Simpleplot %pl achieved literally godlike simplicity. That is exactly what we all need all our life - we make thousands of simple estimations and that must be easy and handy. So far it is the only graphics package in the world which can plot in ONE SINGLE FORTRAN LINE including all the declarations, data preparation and even Fortran END statement! Take this snipped into your computer and try - it's fun. Compilation is super-simple too - FTN95 aaa.f95 /lgo.

aebolzan · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:58 am Post subject:

I am very sorry to tell you that with %pl I do not see any way to send the graph to a printer. (I tried several ideas without success) ...as it is not possible to asign a handle to the window, I do not see how could one get the graphic region and copy it to a printer....with the other (my) way, you can select a printer or even to output to a windows metafile....but it is the other way....i.e. no %pl.....however, I think that we could start another topic about the possibility of improving %pl and see what Paul has to say....maybe it is not in his plans, but I guess that he could explain us how difficult could be to modify %pl in order to get some of the things you are asking......maybe the addition of a handle to %pl is not hard to do......

Agustin

PaulLaidler · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:04 am Post subject:

In theory it would be possible for us to make changes to the ClearWin+ interface for %pl but we do not have the source code for SIMPLEPLOT. In any case, with so many other demands on our time, it seems unlikely that we will be able to make any changes in the short to medium time frame.

aebolzan · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject:

well....this means that we are in a dead point......at least for the short and medium time frame....in the meanwhile Dan, I can offer you the alternative solution if you need a greater versatility with your graphs (i.e. different outputs). See the following code:

aebolzan · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:27 pm Post subject:

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DanRRight · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:40 pm Post subject:

Thanks Agustin. May be some day i will need that but you know my problem is that i do not want to touch and use so far dead buggy graphics language. As Paul mentioned that they still do not have access to the SP sources that means nothing but the

*** death of Simpleplot ***

As you have seen above i have written my own graphics package. I also used some Simpleplot %sp due to its simplicity. But i will rewrite everything into own graphics if the destiny of sources will not be addressed.

BTW, have you also noticed that if you save screen into Windows metafile the fonts are substantially changed to the worse from what we see on the screen?

aebolzan · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject:

your welcome Dan!......in my case I will continue using Simpleplot because is the only one I found that can be used with Clearwin in a %dw window.....I have given a look at DSLIN but it seems to have no chance of interfacing with Clearwin, which for me is important if one is developing a program as a Windows application.....I still have some expectancies that Simpleplot will return (like James Bond Smile

) in a not so far future......who knows?

as for the windows-metafile.....well......my results are different.....I get what I see in the window.....same fonts.....I do not know why you get different results......at least using the code I put yesterday.....

Agustin

aebolzan · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: Re:

aebolzan · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:52 pm Post subject:

aebolzan · Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:06 am Post subject:

which application are you using to open the .wmf file?......for instance, with Irfanview I see what you see, but with mspaint not......I have not tried to print the metafiles, so I do not know how they look when printing...but seems to be a question of the viewer...in fact if you import the .wmf file for instance into a Word document, you will see (I hope so...) that there is a margin around the graph....

about compiling: I use Plato, so that I open the Project Explorer, add SImpleplot.dll as reference file, then compile the Simpleplot module (spwin) first and then the working file...that's all...

Agustin

DanRRight · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject:

And look how %pl plots LOG_LOG scale... hahahah... I'll get mental problem with this S#$%plot...Look at this X axis jumping off-lined numbering

aebolzan · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject:

I think that it would be interesting to know who created the %pl window and how could he designed it without having the Simpleplot code.....

I found some funny things between %pl and %dw: for instance, I was using PICMRG for setting the margins, but....PIC means "pictures", so that PICMRG was designed for setting the margins of the pictures inside the page of a graph....I have now used the (I think) more apropriate PAGMRG and I can set the margins without moving the graph towards the north-east when the margins become too restrictive (an effect noticed by John). However, PAGMRG does not work under %pl, only PICMRG...it sound like %pl works with the "picture", not with the "page" of Simpleplot......In fact, using Simpleplot I could depict 4 pictures inside a single page, as I am using Simpleplot subroutines, but with %pl you can plot only a single picture.......this is certainly a strong limitation of %pl.....

From the Simpleplot manual: "By default, the peripheral margin around a group of pictures is treated as two pairs of complementary margins (left/right and bottom/top) and each pair is distributed in a 2:1 ratio, left:right and bottom:top. PAGMRG specifies the size and distribution of these peripheral margins individually. "

The default margins, according Simpleplot, are restored by putting -1 in L,R,B and T....with a left margin of 0 it means that the axes goes to 0 and as there is no place for the legend and the labels, Simpleplot does the only thing that can be done: put the text inside the graph, i.e. after the axes....it could be sound strange, but it is a natural response for an 'unnatural' request from the operator.....

another interesting point is: Simpleplot allows log-log axis, but if the "x" or "y" arrays includes the value of 0.0, Simpleplot naturally refuses to plot a log and authomatically changes to linear scale the request of a log scale. In the case of %pl......well...%pl allows to plot a graph from an array that includes the value of zero....how %pl overrides SP restrictions?, I do not know....

Dan: you can use "call AXLBLV ('XC', 1)" if you like to have only powers of 10 in the log axis.....but I have no clue about how to move the labels a little bit downwards in order to look nicer.....sorry...

Agustin

DanRRight · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject:

Thanks Agustin for the suppression of numbering between decades tip.

As to adjusting positions of numbering i remember I wrote email ~1.5 decades ago to developers of Simpleplot and got the respond that everything is possible there (without specifying how). Please continue hacking, seems that is the only way to use this half-tuned abandoned to die slowly soft Smile

aebolzan · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: Re:

aebolzan · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject:

Yes, you are right...I did not see that Dan modified his original code and set x(i)=i instead of x(i) = i-1......

Agustin