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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Vista support Reply with quote

I haven't checked yet, but has verion 5.00 been tried out on Windows Vista at all (as a development environment - compiled programs certainly don't seem to have a problem running on Vista) ? I had a go with 4.91 but sdbg crashed on startup. I realise its early days, epecially as MS don't claim proper support even for VS 2005, but I just wondered what the official line was...

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Alan
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As yet no tests have been carried out using Windows Vista.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been some tests performed with Vista Release Candidates and they did not show up any problems (although this was before the VS2005 support was complete). I will be doing more complete tests with the Vista RTM shortly.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just given it a go on the RTM - it looked promising at first - a very simple win32 program worked and debugged. Unfortunately anything a little more complex (maybe when using clearwin) crashes sdbg in the same way the 4.91 did during debugger startup:

Access Violation
The instruction at address 10047083 attempted to read from location 11e90994
1004704c module::search_map(<ptr>constÄchar) [+0037]
10002110 wait_for_pause(int) [+0486]
100078d2 sdbg_main [+0cef]
00401000 main [+0076]

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As silverfrost pointed out 4.91 was tried on the Vista RC's and was OK with respect to the compiler and Visual Studio. The tests concentrated on looking at Visual Studio integration (although only with 2003 at that stage, although there is no reason to think 2005 will not be fine). It may be possible that with the final release of Vista there may be work to do in other areas.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have tried sdbg on a substantial example and seen the same error message. What is odd is that it has nothing specifically to do with Vista and is caused by DLLs being relocated at load time -- specifically ones produced by FTN95. I can reproduce it on my XP setup now and can email you a replacement sdbgdll.dll to try.

That said... relocations of DLLs are common and although the issue looks cut and dried I cannot believe this has been an issue since SDBG version 1.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:22 am    Post subject: VISTA support? Reply with quote

Does FTN95 v5.01 support VISTA?
What about the Debugger (SDBG) and ClearWin?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No there is no guarantee that the release will work with Vista.
No doubt some things will work. But there will be issues as yet unresolved.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,
Is Vista support (for development/debugging) something you guys are looking into at the moment at all ? Any very rough guesses as to when it might be supported... ish ??

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Alan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some tests have already been carried out on Windows Vista.
I expect that the next full release of FTN95 will support .NET 3 but no date has yet been set.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking as someone who is only doing Win32/ClearWin development, any point-releases or fixes that sort out the Win32 debugger problems would be greatly anticipated Smile although I appreciate it's not likely to be top your list at present...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Robert wrote:
I have tried sdbg on a substantial example and seen the same error message. What is odd is that it has nothing specifically to do with Vista and is caused by DLLs being relocated at load time -- specifically ones produced by FTN95. I can reproduce it on my XP setup now and can email you a replacement sdbgdll.dll to try.

That said... relocations of DLLs are common and although the issue looks cut and dried I cannot believe this has been an issue since SDBG version 1.


... this seems to have been ignored...

It is the only Vista specific problem we know about
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, okay I missed that reply... I would love to try a replacement sdbgdll.dll to see if it works - if it can be emailed to me or put somewhere for download I'll give it a go !

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Alan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert,

Thanks for the email - the updated sdbg seems to work fine on Vista - yippeee!

Now, any chance of a new sdbg.vs.dll for Visual Studio 2005 Smile ? I'm surrently on VS2005 SP1 and attempting to debug Fortran using the integrated debugger (Win32) makes it cough up blood in typical Visual Studio fashion and crash.

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Alan
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

I'm still on the Vista trail I'm afraid Very Happy - some info on whether there is likely to be a short-term fix to the VS2005 sdbg.vs.dll in a similar vein to the updated sdbg would be greatly appreciated, even if it's a "not for a while".

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Alan
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