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dpannhorst · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 165 Location: Berlin, Germany

Will the new version 8.10 of FTN95 also be available as Personal Edition?

silverfrost · Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:40 pm Post subject:

It will.

LitusSaxonicum · Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:41 pm Post subject:

Why not just 'Yes'?

LitusSaxonicum · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:24 pm Post subject:

Not palindromes, sorry, as understood by Brits who don't have a thing about Alaskan Bush People but who mastered ancient Greek at school.

'It will' was excessively prolix when 'Yes' would have done. The answer to 'When' is probably 'Soon'. Eventually it will be 'Now'.

Is it? It is! (which isn't, if you get my meaning.)

Eddie

dpannhorst · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 165 Location: Berlin, Germany

Sorry, I am not so familiar with your language. So I looked at Wikepedia for the meaning of Palindrome. Wikipedia says:

A palindrome is a word, phrase, number, or other sequence of characters which reads the same backward as forward, such as madam or racecar.

So I think:

Yes backward is sew

and

It will backward is lliw ti

My original question was, when the Personal Edition 8.10 will be available? Today, tomorrow or later on?

dpannhorst · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 165 Location: Berlin, Germany

Of cause:

Yes backward is sey

DanRRight · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:53 am Post subject:

When you get 8.10 or any further upgrades please do not forget to report all the problems with it. This way we users will debug it and make it perfect much faster. Otherwise sometimes it takes years for some hidden bug to expose itself. Do not forget also about your suggestions to improve compiler and debugger.

LitusSaxonicum · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:20 pm Post subject:

Paul,

Since you read every post, then I suspect that you didn't appreciate the difference between palindrome and Palin drome: the latter being a punning usage about a US political figure (I guessed) or one of the Monty Python team (more probable in retrospect).

My original post was an observation on brevity, for which you are famous (notorious?).

The whole point is will 8.10 be PE, yes, and when, soon. Even you can't be briefer than that! (I'll accept OK instead of Yes to prove that you can).

The second point is that a PE release opens up a whole set of extra testers, for example I use an obsolete Academic version of FTN95 to support some software in the department I retired from 5 years ago, and the current PE for my personal dabblings. While 8.10 isn't PE-ready I can't find any problems with it (Dan).

If you want the answer to the question: Which is more likely to find bugs:
(a) 1 tester working for X days
(b) N testers working for X/N days
The answer is probably (b). If you tack on (b) after (a) and ask will this do a better job than (a) or even (b) alone, the answer with a high degree of probability is 'yes', with the certainty increased along with N.

Every dilettante's favourite program is a test suite that cannot be simply reproduced at Silverfrost, and overall is run on a range of hardware that few single organisations can support.

An early release of the PE seems to me therefore to be in everyone's interest.

Eddie

PS. The briefest reply short of ignoring this is 'OK', but I suppose most of us would settle for a date.

mecej4 · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1899

Eddie, Now!

Today, FTN95 8.10 PE is available for download. I am pleased to find that most of the bugs that I reported have been fixed.

For the first time, I find that SDBG64 is usable, but it is still lacking features that I like the 32-bit debugger for. For example, I cannot set the font large enough for easy reading, nor can I set the background color.

It would be nice if the register window displayed the values in FPU registers, and if the call stack showed, in addition to routine names, line numbers or at least addresses.

Robert · Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 457 Location: Manchester

Does the 32-bit version show line numbers in the call stack window?

mecej4 · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1899

No, but I wish it did! The information to do that seems to be in the EXE already, since the pop up after a program error shows the information in the traceback.

Robert · Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 457 Location: Manchester

I'll put it on the to-do list.

DanRRight · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:56 am Post subject:

The new 64bit 8.10 is fast and sometimes is much faster with /optimize option but optimization not always works sometimes crashing the code.

The old compiler was not completely fixed for all such kind of errors for years since I suspect it was difficult to demonstrate the cause for this on some reasonably small code for developers to work on error.

I'd urge users to try /opt and if you can minimize the source to write smaller demonstration program report it to Silverfrost.

DanRRight · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:58 am Post subject:

Couple years back Davidb wrote assembler utilities Vec_Add_SSE, Vec_Sum_SSE ... to use SSE. As usually they were just embedded into Fortran text and recognized. They looked like this

JohnCampbell · Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 2615 Location: Sydney

Dan,

FTN95 /64 provides new routines for this.
see ...\ftn95\doc\noteson64bitftn95.txt