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dpannhorst



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:03 pm    Post subject: FTN 95 8.10 Personal Edition Reply with quote

Will the new version 8.10 of FTN95 also be available as Personal Edition?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will.
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LitusSaxonicum



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just 'Yes'?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'It will' is a Palin drome of 'Yes' Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what the Palin drome of 'When ?' is
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LitusSaxonicum



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not palindromes, sorry, as understood by Brits who don't have a thing about Alaskan Bush People but who mastered ancient Greek at school.

'It will' was excessively prolix when 'Yes' would have done. The answer to 'When' is probably 'Soon'. Eventually it will be 'Now'.

Is it? It is! (which isn't, if you get my meaning.)

Eddie
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dpannhorst



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I am not so familiar with your language. So I looked at Wikepedia for the meaning of Palindrome. Wikipedia says:

A palindrome is a word, phrase, number, or other sequence of characters which reads the same backward as forward, such as madam or racecar.

So I think:

Yes backward is sew

and

It will
backward is lliw ti

My original question was, when the Personal Edition 8.10 will be available? Today, tomorrow or later on?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of cause:

Yes backward is sey
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you get 8.10 or any further upgrades please do not forget to report all the problems with it. This way we users will debug it and make it perfect much faster. Otherwise sometimes it takes years for some hidden bug to expose itself. Do not forget also about your suggestions to improve compiler and debugger.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say palindrome .... I said .... Palin drome !

You'll note the capital 'P' (as it's a proper name) and the 2 words ,,,,, as you should all know, the Palin drome of Bolton is Notlob ..... despite the false information to the contrary at the end of this in which the originator of 'Palin drome' stars !!! :O)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE&spfreload=10
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LitusSaxonicum



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,

Since you read every post, then I suspect that you didn't appreciate the difference between palindrome and Palin drome: the latter being a punning usage about a US political figure (I guessed) or one of the Monty Python team (more probable in retrospect).

My original post was an observation on brevity, for which you are famous (notorious?).

The whole point is will 8.10 be PE, yes, and when, soon. Even you can't be briefer than that! (I'll accept OK instead of Yes to prove that you can).

The second point is that a PE release opens up a whole set of extra testers, for example I use an obsolete Academic version of FTN95 to support some software in the department I retired from 5 years ago, and the current PE for my personal dabblings. While 8.10 isn't PE-ready I can't find any problems with it (Dan).

If you want the answer to the question: Which is more likely to find bugs:
(a) 1 tester working for X days
(b) N testers working for X/N days
The answer is probably (b). If you tack on (b) after (a) and ask will this do a better job than (a) or even (b) alone, the answer with a high degree of probability is 'yes', with the certainty increased along with N.

Every dilettante's favourite program is a test suite that cannot be simply reproduced at Silverfrost, and overall is run on a range of hardware that few single organisations can support.

An early release of the PE seems to me therefore to be in everyone's interest.

Eddie

PS. The briefest reply short of ignoring this is 'OK', but I suppose most of us would settle for a date.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie, Now!

Today, FTN95 8.10 PE is available for download. I am pleased to find that most of the bugs that I reported have been fixed.

For the first time, I find that SDBG64 is usable, but it is still lacking features that I like the 32-bit debugger for. For example, I cannot set the font large enough for easy reading, nor can I set the background color.

It would be nice if the register window displayed the values in FPU registers, and if the call stack showed, in addition to routine names, line numbers or at least addresses.


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Robert



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the 32-bit version show line numbers in the call stack window?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but I wish it did! The information to do that seems to be in the EXE already, since the pop up after a program error shows the information in the traceback.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll put it on the to-do list.
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