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KL · Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 152

PS. I forgot to describe what happens when the problem occurs. Exactly nothing. There is no information and I can stop the run only via "Stop Debugging", independently whether I have selected checkmate or release.

PaulLaidler · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:02 am Post subject:

Klaus

Another user has reported exactly the same issue. I will try to install 24 H2 on one of my machines and investigate further.

At the moment it seems that the new version of Windows is causing the default exception handler for Win32 fp underflow to fail.

In theory you can provide your own exception handler via TRAP_EXCEPTION@ and FLT_UNDERFLOW but I will investigate first.

The code for the default exception handler is located in salflibc.dll so a previous version of this DLL might provide a temporary fix but better to wait.

DanRRight · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:41 am Post subject: Re:

PaulLaidler · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:03 pm Post subject:

Dan

That is good news but the fact remains. At the moment we are not offering to fix any Linux issues.

Klaus

I am now able to reproduce the failure under 24 H2.
There is currently no known work-around.
The default exception handler (for fp underflow) has not changed for many years so I don't understand how it can work for any version (of salflbc.dll).

Please confirm that it works for you under 24 H2 and versions of FTN95 etc before v9.0.

KL · Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 152

I have sent the details per personal email.
Klaus

PaulLaidler · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:56 pm Post subject:

Thank you for the information.

We are continuing to work on this issue.

The 24 H2 upgrade for Windows 11 is not yet in general release (at least not in the UK where you have to download a preview version).

Users who require Win32 options should avoid the 24 H2 download for now. Otherwise the only known work-around at the moment is to switch to x64.

Kenneth_Smith · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:25 pm Post subject:

I think this means that under "Windows Update", the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available", toggle should be set to "Off" in the mean time.

I have just changed this on my machine.

PaulLaidler · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:35 pm Post subject:

Ken

I am not sure about that. If you want the 24 H2 upgrade then (in the UK at least) you have to do a manual download from a Microsoft website. The automatic updates are still based on 23 H2.

Kenneth_Smith · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:30 pm Post subject:

Paul,

My fear is that the 24 H2 upgrade could be rolled out to the UK at any time at Microsoft's discretion. We don't have any control over that, so we may want to do something to prevent it being applied to our computers.

PaulLaidler · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:13 am Post subject:

Thanks Ken. That is a good point.

Whilst we continue to work on a fix, a temporary work-around is to mask all underflows for Win32.

When underflows are masked, an exception is not raised when an underflow occurs. The current issue arises when the system does not recover after an underflow exception is triggered. Hence the work-around.

There are two ways to mask underflows:
1) CALL MASK_UNDERFLOWS@() before doing any fp arithmetic.
2) Set the environment variable:
SET SALFENVAR=mask_underflow

The round-off error for an underflow will change. For example, the following code gives 1.741119E-39 rather than zero. This value is below the threshold for 32 bit real numbers.